Hey Michael there were a bunch of others you didn't put in here. D.J. Moore, Vontae Davis if on the board, Brian Cushing, bunch of other guys at this position. And Sean Smith? He will be on the board by the Patriots at 34 and they could draft him or Moore there. Hope that didn't offend you, but nice job doing every teams poll in one day. Nice job.
I added those. I really didn't see Cushing available, but I added him the paranthesis group of OLB. I did over 20 of these polls today, so I was bound to forget some players. Thanks for catching it.
It is now getting obvious that Billicheck is taking a OLB with the 23rd pick. He has expressed that with the signings of Leigh Bodden, Shaun Springs, and some other guys. He traded Vrabel with the Cassel deal which is pretty much saying he is taking a OLB with his first two picks. About the Cassel deal, there was really no need for the patriots to include Vrabel in the deal. Probably cap reasons.
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Cassel was the deal, what do you mean he was just thrown in the deal.
The Patriots have 3 2nd round picks, so the Pats don't HAVE to draft a linebacker with their first 2 picks. The Pats are very unconventional in the ways they draft.
Vrabel would not have been traded for a high 2nd round pick.
Michael I actually meant that they could of got away from that deal without including Vrabel, so if Billicheck is doing that for cap reasons, it is singnifying that the Patriots will draft a OLB with their first pick. Not saying they are drafting them with their first two picks. I did a typo, my bad.
I definitely don't think the Pats need to go with an OLB in Rd 1. Having filled up holes in the secondary (at least temporarily), and with 4 first day picks, they can draft value over need pretty consistently. If Maualuga or Tyson Jackson falls that far, they could go with one of those guys. They could also trade the pick for someones 2010 first rounder and a mid round pick. Yes, they need a first day OLB, but I really don't see a scenario in which Cushing, Sintum, Matthews, and Barwin are all off the board by #34.
Hell, if there is a run on OT, and three of the OLBs are still on the board at 34 (which seems unlikely, but possible) the Pats could take Max Unger at 34 and still catch one of them (probably Barwin) with the mid 2nd rounder.
Also, I think Sintum or Cushing would be solid 1st round picks because they could play ILB or OLB, meaning if the Pats really wanted to, they could take Barwin and slide the other one in. Suddenly they would have one of the youngest and best LB cores in the league.
I definitely don't think the Pats need to go with an OLB in Rd 1. Having filled up holes in the secondary (at least temporarily), and with 4 first day picks, they can draft value over need pretty consistently. If Maualuga or Tyson Jackson falls that far, they could go with one of those guys. They could also trade the pick for someones 2010 first rounder and a mid round pick. Yes, they need a first day OLB, but I really don't see a scenario in which Cushing, Sintum, Matthews, and Barwin are all off the board by #34.
Hell, if there is a run on OT, and three of the OLBs are still on the board at 34 (which seems unlikely, but possible) the Pats could take Max Unger at 34 and still catch one of them (probably Barwin) with the mid 2nd rounder.
Also, I think Sintum or Cushing would be solid 1st round picks because they could play ILB or OLB, meaning if the Pats really wanted to, they could take Barwin and slide the other one in. Suddenly they would have one of the youngest and best LB cores in the league.
Unregistered guest, first of all it would be best if you could join the site, its free. But thanks for replying anyway. There have been talks that Julius Peppers could go to the Pats for the 34th pick which I don't get because wouldn't they just do Peppers for Seymour and a late round pick? So if they do the Peppers for 34 that eliminates that. To defend my statement about the OLB, who would the Pats start besides Tully-Banta Cain at OLB? They overall need to draft one with their first two picks and a Corner would be nice and ILB is a need too. They have Mayo and Bruschi, but Bruschi cant stay in their forever. I love Cushing at 23 if he falls, and I don't think Clint Sintim is first round worthy as he is one of the few players I don't like in this draft. But you are right about the OT. If Unger falls to their Second Second Round pick which is unlikely, they will take him there. Thanks for replying.
Everyone lets say Vontae Davis and Brian Cushing are on the board. Who will the Pats take? Both big needs at LB and CB, and Davis is one of the tallest in the draft compared to D.J. Moore, Alphonso Smith, Darius Butler, etc.
For me I think they will take Cushing. Although Davis is one of my favorite players in the draft, with the signings of Shawn Springs and Leigh Bodden, Billicheck with take a OLB. They got rid of Vrabel, and they need a OLB.
If they started the season right now they would start Pierre Woods. Not qualified at all to be a full time starter. Need a upgrade.
Pats have so many picks, they will do all of the following:
#1. trade forward to bulk up next years picks
#2. make choices to pick current holes: OLB, G, S (ILB not a hole because AT moving back IMO)
#3. make choices for future needs. next years draft is not as deep, Pats picks not as rich, and with DL (Green, Seymour, and Wilfork) all being possible FA after '09, and Matt Light getting older, and Watson being left to walk away - we will need 1 or 2 DL, 1 OT, and 1 TE for '10. These are among the hardest positions to obtain in any draft. OT is very strong this year, get one. DL is thin, but has 4 strong players - get one. TE is weak and we have 3 signed, wait until next year unless Thomas is being cut.
For #23 I say trade up for Tyson Jackson, stand pat for Evander Hood, or deal down for Brace or Jarron Gilbert. A trade with the Cardinals of: #23 & #58 for #31, #63, and #95 passes the NFL calculator and gives the Pats even more ammo in the great #25 - #100 range of this draft.
For OT, Beatty might fall to #34 or even #47, Meredeth would be a steal with #58, Cadogan and Loadholt may also be in play there too.
OLB - Barwin, English should be at #34
Sintim could be chosen as either a OLB or ILB - but may fall to about #40
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